Oh my. She was not in the car when her children were shot. Even if they say that she did not get involved in rehabilitation programs, she did participate, but obviously did not admit to killing her daughter and injuring the others. They should have stayed out of it instead of contributing to her revictimization. Jul 3, 2022; fotomontajes de amor para dos personas; Comments: pete walker complex ptsd website; They were in foster care for two years before the prosecutor adopted them. I find it interesting for you to observe this because it should be more scientific and empirical today than it was in the 80s, but is it really? The problem with high profile cases is that the media, the DA, the cops and authors like Ann Rule dictate the narrative and it becomes almost impossible to look any other way unless you are a critical thinker devoid of emotions related to the case. She had one arm totally out of commission. But you are right to say that it is my site. Inside, outside, top to bottom. He separated from his wife and was going to follow Diane who, by now, had decided to move and work in Oregon to be closer to her parents. But I will answer the points you raised about the blog. But there was a lot left unsaid about this relationship. I know several people who know or knew both of the surviving children as well as Diane. Of course I saw movie first, then read the bookI wanted more, sadly early Internet days, there wasnt much out there, as far as info or video, picturesnothing really. Foster Carers says either Australia or England to me. The fact that she took the kids to the nearest hospital, andtwo of them survived kind offlies in the face of their murder at all costs theory. All the years in prison probably made her way more disturbed than she ever was. If Diane was bipolar, the non-stop chatter would have been inherent to the situation: bipolar wasnt a diagnosable condition at the time of her first trial. Diane described the stranger that shot them on the road and a police artist came up with a sketch. Their life without parole sentences are a dime a dozen and so randomly used that it beats any notion of justice for all. And what happened to her little daughter is beyond unethical. We dont know. What about the son saying that man and nurses noting that. 4. They are the ones who supposedly (according to Diane) screwed her up so badly. There is absolutely no evidence that Hungry like the Wolf was playing when Christie got shot but it is another detail they added to bring a dramatic element to this trial. But the birth of little Danny did not make this bad boy change his stripes; he remained a cad and a destabilizing force in their lives. I also found it interesting that when he had visited Diane in prison, he had remarked a strange air about her; which did not mean guilt. Then they just got shut out. Evidence from a ballistics expert. It was pitch black outside. Q. Blood spatter is not an exact science, and is interpreted differently by experts. This blogger thinks that if you had bothered reading the blogs that you just mentioned, you would know that I do not call anyone innocent. Growing up, Diane had felt like an outsider and kids had been cruel towards her because of her real or imagined ugly duckling looks and demeanor. She was fighting back and they did not like it. They lied about the ballistics. When they recaptured her, she was very docile. On May 30, 1983, the McKenzie-Willamette Hospital Chaplain told Dianes father to hire an attorney because the State was going to take his grandchildren away. The whole case is crazy. USA population seems to shun complex ethical problems preferring to deal with absolute evil in order to exert absolute power to crush it. The Case of Liysa Northon Who Said True Crime Does not Pay? In the blog, there is a link on the subject of bipolar people who tend to laugh at the wrong time. Except after the idea was subsequently planted in his head only to be alluded to in court, in spite of an agreement to never mention the subject. Simply because I researched them. As a married man, the ball was in his court and he decided togo forit. Her flat affect is even more pronounced now and it did her in at the time, but she was lucid enough to clearly see that Rule and the media used Becky for their personal gain. The lawsuit against Ann Rule was thrown out as unfounded because after reading her book they could find no inconsistencies She sat thru the entire trial AND used actual court transcripts. And if the fact that cops lied about the gun to close the deal did not bother you, it bothered me because this is not due process. Up. why didn't steve downs get custody. The fact that she and her brother Danny were eventually adopted by Fred Hugi who prosecuted Diane Downs is the most blatant case of conflict of interest I have ever heard of. It was such a high profile case and she was found guilty by the media and the court so people are afraid to touch this one. Robert and Diane even decided toget matching rose tattoos, but as soon as the ink on her tattoo was dry, he refused to get his done. Here are the pros and cons of sole legal custody. this is your 2nd quote which contradicts the first one .. Lets not forget that she was presumed to have fired a gun 6 times at close range within the confines of a small car. Diane was found guilty and sentenced to life and she has been in prison ever since. Besides, none of those diagnoses are illegal. But I am so tired of the enough time has been served and other criminals have been paroled. Right after her first surgery, The Detectives were adamant that they HAD to have Diane right then to recreate the incident- unless of course, you have something to hide. No one bothered with these details so I did. She had been isolated from her whole family and being unethically interrogated. I understand that the authorities were afraid to leave the two remaining children under her care if they thought she was guilty, but they could have been released to the grandparents or other blood relatives with supervised visits from their mom considering that she was not charged with any crime. She (Diane) managed to jump in the car after getting shot in the arm. please express them and I will print them. She is supposed to be locked up for murder, etc. Forensics or lack thereof and blood splatter? At what point during these meetings did she start calling him Dad? 4. If there is one thing Diane knew about her lover, is that he was fickle and did not like trouble of any kind. So yes I think she did it, I think ration left her a long before she did itI think post pardum played in this, I think, she was scattered all over the map.againjust hearing it in her own words. Those cases shouldnt have been in the same court let alone presided over by the same judge. is this a reason??? I am a firm believer of where there is smoke there is fire. Every time, she said she did not know, they told her to think again and made suggestions. They already had made up their mind that Diane was the perpetrator so they laughed off the idea of the bushy haired stranger. The problem was that they could not find the gun anywhere and they had nothing on Diane. So many of the cases Lise writes about on this blog either have no forensic evidence that supports the verdict or have very misleading forensic evidence that may or may not support the verdict, depending on who is interpreting it. I believe DDs case needs to be re looked at and all evidence reviewed. She could have stayed on the side of the road. ANNE RULES BOOK IS A LIE, ,ALL MADE UP CRAP. The timing of her arrival at the hospital should have been discussed and explained in more details. Diane ran away from her husband many times between 1976 and 1977, but with nowhere to go except her parents house, she would come back. danny also said a cartoon character shot themalso he was SHOT IN THE BACK how could he see the shooter????????? Dianes injury had to be quite painful and shewas in shockwhile driving to the hospital and accompanying the detectives to the crime scene. I do have to take issue with this article about Diane Downs. Saying that I seem to be doing what I accuse Ann Rule of doing is kind of ironic because the point of this blog is to try to stay away from innuendo and fantasies like unicorns and songs that might have been playing or not during a tragic murder. How do you expect the daughter to have any fair understanding of the situation or any decent contact with Dianes family when the people who have been calling her mother a murderer and a monster are dragging her in the media spotlight in the hope of writing another book or getting a new scoop, but all one sided. I do not know what happened on Old Mohawk Road on that dark evening, but I know that they did not have enough evidence totry andconvict Diane Downs. As I stated towards the beginning of my response, Im taking issue with the blog and the subjective language used. The cops admitted that they never investigated the tips about a bushy haired stranger. To this day, there is not enough evidence to prove her guilt or innocence. So if we started judging people harshly for their flaws, it would never end. And after Diane left Arizona she didnt call Knick to inquire about his love, but rather about when he would repay the $500 (Appendix 81, pages 1479-1480). This test confirmed Diane had not held a gun. Page 40 of Case History. Their goal was to make Dian look crazy, because sane people dont shoot their children. Page 6 of Case History. From the very beginning, the DAs office had their ducks in a row because in an unprecedented move, Judge Gregory Foote who had denied access to the children by all blood relatives and given their care over to the State, was promoted from juvenile to senior judge to preside over the trial of Diane Downs. I never found a photo of James C. Jagger online. What about the fact that they never found the gun? Id like to challenge some of the bloggers claims. It was a harrowing, shameful miscarriage of justice. The two mental disorders that cause excessive talking are Bipolar Disorder and Schizophrenia. Is it the one you tried to use? As an adoptive parent I cant even imagine trying to justify to my daughter our adopting her if we had in any way been a part of the case to terminate her from her bio family. The reason Im harsh is because Ive detected that youve paid for this site and therefore cant be wrong. If you have an opinion on drugging a child to make her talk, a judge presiding over a criminal case when he was in family court and removed the children from the defendants or the forensics, ballistic, etc. I am not sure. She keeps her emotions under tight control, presenting only socially acceptable feelings and burying other contradictory feelings.. As far as Hugi is concerned, it was a total conflict of interest. I try to remain objective in spite of the media storm depicting the case in a certain way, which is not accurate in every aspect. The woman shot her children. After asking her to have an affair, he kept vacillating between his wife and her. It seems that not being American might help us view the case and Rules narrative with more objectivity. No forensic evidence pointing to her, just conjecture based on how mothers should act. How could they expect a normal mother/daughter reunion between a beaten inmate whose mental health had degraded and a daughter trapped in this insanity? I have nothing to gain and I am not making up songs and dances about a unicorn. What was the rationale behind this? 3 yr. ago. The notions of humanity and rehabilitation have been left on the wayside long ago. The authorities wanted to see them mourn and fall apart. This is what I try to do when I research a case that was deemed to be a slam dunk. I wish she could get a new look. And her mental health should definitely have been a factor to release her with follow up care. I mean, yeah, I can see the no contact order with Diane. My opinion of why Mr. Hugi adopted Christie and Danny was to seal their lips. It is a research done on the case according to many sources. I watched and worried through her escapeto find her childrens real attackerthat bushy haired stranger . She always seems to have not a very close contact with reality. Belli filed a motion for a 2-week extension to familiarize himself with the case because he had to be in Italy, and declared Diane innocent in a press conference, but Foote denied the motion and declared you have an attorney, use him.. It always feels like punishment at all costs. But I am more than willing to review any new info. Why? They rarely are, especially in the US. I like your approach. Im all for justice, reviewing facts and overturning corrupt decisions. 1st, you came back from a trip? What would have been the conclusion to have drawn without this hate campaign? If I included the ones I dont post, it would need more than a like or dislike button. Just saw the video of Dianes parole hearing. she flat out says, they are saying Duran Duran made her shoot her kids!..Im like HUHOkay now this is my favorite groupstill is at 44yrs old.I had to investigate this. It appeared rigged: Rigged? Ruger #14-76187; described as the gun used by Diane and belonging to Steve Downs, was not the murder weapon. tell someone else. Seems to me that if that part of the story were true, and she really wanted to find her childrens shooter, she would have provided that information. Nevertheless, what was done seemed out of our hands and we could have no contact with them at all. In 1979, headstrong Diane gave birth to Danny who was not Stevens biological son because he had no desire to be a father again. Theybrought out the big guns to unload on the public, their idea of the truth: Diane Downs was a horrible creature and a jilted lover who shot her three children in cold blood to be free to pursue a relationship with the man she was obsessed with. It is not my point. It was never a slam dunk. Teams of people and detectives combed the area for months looking for the gun but it was nowhere to be found. The blog tries to bring balance and more objectivity to a case that was TOTALLY one sided and still is. Regina, I love your comment! I did not shoot my children.. But you would know that if you had read the blog or info about the case. The blog tries to bring balance and more objectivity to a case that was TOTALLY one sided and still is. I research cases that in my opinion, were poorly tried. To Lori Hugi didnt rush in and take the kids, he had time to consider. I dont understand how the family court managed to isolate 2 severely traumatized and grievously injured children from their entire family. But strangely, they took no photos of the crime scene and did not lift fingerprints from the drivers side of the car. They should have had ongoing contact and been placed with family as soon as they were out of the hospital and they never should have been interviewed without their own attorney (Guardian ad Litem) present. After all, Cheryl Downs is basically serving a life sentence with no possibility of parole for her mothers crime. A steel plate had to be attached and some lead fragments were removed. There was no blood on the front seats so Cheryl was laying down and Christie was asleep laying down and never witnessed anything. He could not during the marriage so he walked away. The detective said if Diane would just testify against Steve Downs, she and her children could go home and try to put their lives back together. The endorsement was so strong, in fact, that some interpreted it as a roundabout trade request. I think DD is guilty, but I also think her trial was far from due process, and that is the important issue. You are wondering about the question why didn t steve downs get custody but currently there is no answer, so let kienthuctudonghoa.com summarize and list the top articles with the question. Conflicting reports say Downs also acted as a surrogate during her fourth pregnancy, giving birth to a daughter after her trial in 1984. On a side note, what do you think of parole of Leslie Van Houton? The next morning Diane appeared in the courtroom with a police report written by Detective Pond a year earlier, in which Ms. Patterson was sure Diane had gone nowhere near the bathroom the night of the shooting (Appendix 62). On her way to the hospital,she was followed by someone who said she was going slow, but Diane said she was driving fairly fast. But people never want to touch the high profile cases where the defendant is not likable. I would love to hear your answers to them. It deserved as much attention as a Unicorn, a song or all the other hearsay floating around because at least, they came from real people signing official documents. Diane didnt ask Knick to leave his wife. This whole case is flawed. So obviously, she was the prime suspect. 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