He found out that I was going in for some heart check up. He was not cross selling. I talk to a freind I sell to in my business. The banks and finance companies are not doing this. -. higher ratings Why would I want to convert my term insurance to a permanent policy? When they went public there was no shares available to be bought. We are a company that SEARCHES for these families and pushes to help them. Stay aways from the clients you went out and got for us for a time of 2 years and send us back all brochures and and other documents oh yes thans for the recruits. Do they just offer their clients Term? I believe that those who have posted on this site in opposition of Primerica, led by the likes of Michael Thomas, have put forth many thought-provoking tid-bits of information to consider. And there have been recient rumors about us getting our own ticker and not being with Citi anymore and its very true. People do what they want. Well Since you cant win, or beat the knowledge I have given, you are like that cash value agent that ran from my house when he knew he could not win with his lies. We just had a competition period end for an all expenses paid trip to San Francisco and I was able to qualify top 20 in my category. Pulling from a magazine that ties to the industry you are selling is not a good source. Who trains you? I just compare contract per contract and products against products. Tom says: Maybe you are right, but Since Primerica is like my company it does not give out its rates, they have a greater chance of being wrong.. With that being said even on a part-time basis a person can make some great income. You are what Suze Orman says is fleecing their customers. We expect first quarter sales to grow around 1% versus an adjusted policy count of approximately $83,000 in the prior year period. ROP is a way to pay more so if by chance you keep paying for the length of the term, you will get the premiums back. Sure theres other cheaper term out thereTHIS SO CALLED BROTHER COULD HAVE OFFERED HIS OWN FAMILY MEMBERS THAT.but guess what? But for everyone else that you help to train, and usually their legs too, you get to keep a leg. So I guess you failed, since so many other base shops have succeeded and continue to grow. I have seen the letters that other customers had, (Primerica gets many things from their clients.) My day-job is software engineer thus I have no background or experience in financial services so if I want to go and work for one of these other high paying companies then I have to go back to college and study first. By whose definition? I have seen the class that you need to take for insurance. It took a different turn than what it should have. No one does anything for free. Then you lose licenses, money and possibly freedom. I did make a mistake when I said BTID (Buy Term and Invest the Difference). As for the statement about people who got started in Primerica well Primerica still made money off of our production so its a wash. What opened my eyes to that issue was the book,Who moved My Cheese..I know this is old hat, but it was tough for me to leave Primerica. They may charge fees to use this part, Primerica does not. product at a better price. I treat my clients like I would want someone treating my mother and how I would This is so that they have a higher level of ethics. And if you do it right, you will not pay any taxes on it. Let me just say its not for everyone. The office I committed to went to the CONVENTIONS every year (it was ENCOURAGED not REQUIRED) but they went to find out the latest updates on products and how these would benefit present and future clients. You see, I really tell on myself, because I do not have to be afraid of any lawyers since I am not breaking any contractual agreements. Let me ask you how youd hedge a portfolio against systematic risk. Again I challenge him: He said that Primerica only gives you one license and it cost $199. New York Life So, following Johns lead, here is what I found, using a 46-year, born June 1962, standard-plus, male, $250,000 level, guaranteed term. Look at all those homeowners that had a choice, chose incorrectly, and are claiming foul. If you work you get paid. and secretly i know each and every one of you has a pfs life policy u know u do too who did u compare it withuhh thats right.. no one.. u bought in to it all ;p, So what you are saying is price is the only thing that matters. It is Primerica. Its going to be a busy weather week in Massachusetts. Does that mean you mission is to line your pockets with your clients money? Actually, I hear all the time in this business how $100K is the starting point. 2) I resigned from PFS, October 2006, with a clean U5. Its a we can come into a home and leave a person better off than before we came type of program. The rep that you had the informal interview with more than like ly looking to peak interest and then invite you to a business opportunity meeting where most of those questions can be answered in full. Which ever one is going to pay them the most. Some people just dont like the point of paying for Term and not getting anything in return except coverage. Not on your companies record. Our we selling juice here? I do hope they are smarter than you. I bet you see you mother once a month in that home you placed her in. He said they are less than Primerica. You dont know what you dont know. Tom give it up. Most Mortgage people, set you up on adjustable with the intention of redoing your loan in 2 years. Accidental death and dismemberment is worthless, since it pays on 1 out 1,000 policies. Did you know that they are thinking of going public again? DOes not mean you are more qualified. Remember they are sales people and sales people get paid on commission, mostly. The main reason I am is because of the sales force in Primerica, since it cost them nothing. Hey wait a gosh darn minute Micheal, Atta boy! How is it team driven to take away income from someone? I know very little about financial services and Im not going to pretend like I do. So the idea of Primerica being a pyramid scam is ridiculous. It is the term I keep seeing. I had some guy pick-off my resume on CareerBuilder and I was able to trace him to Primerica. People are living longer and expected to have longer life spans. If they wont/cant cover a client, what do they do? c) better options and riders Primerica gives you amble opportunity to make money. I ahve check them out. last note, in addition to the 199 fee (which is eventually refunded)you also pay 25 dollars a month to have acces to their online data base (POL). ______________________ No value verses value. Well wake up and see that your not only doing an injustice by blindly leading these client sheep of yours to the slaughter house, but to say its in the name of doing whats best for clients; seriously; go study, pass exams that qualify you to actually financially advise, which is not the 6 or 63 or life, health, ltc, and do us all a favor and use some self due diligence and educate yourself first before you just try and sell stories and common sense catch phrases that sound so ammature and weak. Again, you dont know estate preservation strategies, thats why you would want to convert. But how many 18 years old know people who need life insurance and investments. Every 2 years the price goes down. First of all here are the reasons I joined. So its not as easy as they make it seem in an opportunity meeting. You will start thinking of what you sold your family and friends. What about the fees that are involved? 4. Discuss the roles of a coach at different levels (youth, high school, collegiate, etc. Primerica in worth 9 billion and has not sold on bad mortgage to date. Currently they are the big dog for part-timers. plan. As someone who hates pressure sales, I liked knowing I didnt have to do that as a rep. Tom the company by contract is going to pay out 100% of the face amount. Again with the estate preservation. Why are you so certain that converting is good? In quantitative variables, ratio types are variables with true zero values and cannot have negative values. I just love showing how moronic the people who post against Primerica are. I am talking in the multiple millions of dollars, not a few. Any competent adviser says to stay away from Cancer policies since they are so narrow that they are not worth the policy. SEC registration neither implies nor asserts the SEC or any state securities authority has approved or endorsed PFSI or the contents of this disclosure. So this is Primericas fault? But I have already proved you pay more have less. It is definitely not true, because if you didnt know, its against the law to get paid for recruiting. Commercial Mortgage 5.) American Investors Life Insurance Company Which everyone else has but on Maybe this is why they are having money trouble. WebDepending on the level of care needed, some assisted living programs will also provide around-the-clock medical attention and supervision or specialized care services. But then I will dissect his posts, since they always full of inconsistency and mis-statements. Can you do better, possibly. Wouldnt You? Just like the mortgage broker that gets kicks backs legally from the bank, and does not tell their client about it, this is unethical. The average individual earnings of their representatives is $5,156 per year. Two were specific diseases, which was a waste since they did not cover his death. They bought the business with the Liability, but got a free sales force. I have found this misleading and this is my opinion from what I being was told. . His was cheaper, but had no value. cancer insurance, This is a waste. Exactly what does th issue with todays mortgage crisis have to do with someone who has a health situation and high health care cost? Thats like buying a car based on a good paint job, not seeing if its a good car. But since you failed to respond to my point, why not cover ever possible scenario for the person. It is not the company but the business. Interesting article! Tom the cash value in a policy does not belong to the client. Master's of Science in Nursing (MSN) There are several types of master's degrees in nursing. I am glad you said that Primerica sells term inorder to get in the door so they can offer other products, loans, investments, prepaid legal, long term care, Auto and Homeowners Insurance Referral Program etc. . Just be you and think for oncegetting an outside option about PFS instead of investigation it yourself is like asking a friend if an outfit that looked like crap on them looks good on youwhat do you think their opinon will be? But then I as I quoted before, Wall Street Journal said that the only people that think cash value is good, are those that sell it. And hes accusing *us* of not caring for our clients!!! I guess you never really investigated this at all. Im saying Primerica looks basically like a MLM because of how the commission structure pays out compare to other companies. So that why its hard to talk to people like you. On some if not most plans they implode. All this being said, somewhere in the back of my mind I have always questioned PFS and whether or not I am doing the best I possibly can for my clients. I offer choices to my clients. 1. primericas products are not the cheapest. Because they cant. They also are designed to annoy the person to hang up and stop complaining. now it is starting to sound like Andy Griffith show . Primerica's insurance typically costs more than comparable financial products, does not have conversion options, and only applies to low-risk individuals. We recruite like any business if there was no one at McDonalds you wouldnt get your food. I know it is hard to believe but there are still places like that. First Here is some facts. I had to send her to Zurich at the time. Call me for a quote. If you want your name to mean more than cheap products and less value, please work for him. . DOes he have to pay for all his licenses? Likewise Im trying Primerica for my own reasons; its NOT just about money with me. Just because I do not sell or an agent, does not mean I have not done my homework. I feel that Primerica do offer okay products and in alot of cases, can save a family hundres of dollars on their mortagewhich they should invest the difference, hence Primerica does nothing financial wise for my friends who are agents. better system. One tool is the FNA. And read the Wall Street Journal article I reference above) .. your contract and license is with Primerica what do you then? Or 99% of all businesses out there. I feel bad for those who choose to just let the ship go down rather than explore the opportunity to make some extra part time money, but I certainly dont feel bad for too long. Aegon When you are a parrot repeating the same lingo it is apparent youve given little though to do actual research yourself on the markets or how different asset classes are even correlated. If its a husband and wife situation where one can get coverage and the other cant can you guess what is going to happen? It helps that I dont have much desire to follow the crowd and dont have a problem saying no or leaving when I realize it is not what I was interested in. YOU ARE THE SMARTEST AND MOST UNDERSTANDING PERSON ON THIS PLANET. They feel all excited b/c they are this business owner or soon to be business owner lol. But as of yet, they are still part of Citi, so this must be a mistake. I can apprceciate quality over cost. I have been to quite a few multi-level marketing recruiting meetings over the years. The fact that you lose money, by over paying. This is the reason the government requires only LICENSED reps to give advising on certain financial products. You are not just a sales person you helping them make wise decisions with there future. Why not let them put their money in a cd, it is safer there and will get the same fixed rates. I work out of my home and the sales brochures are free from my carrier. Just like worrying about them, will cause you more problems than the actual problems. Term, and you said Term is sold as a loss leader and you said IT (Its)(First, please use spell check. Oh, and the fact that I pay about 8% in taxes instead of the 28% Id have to pay as an employee. Thats the business side. . I am the professional here selling my company as one to come to. Your family would suffer financially over a few hundred dollars in lost commission? Tom have you erver heard of Winflex? Bad-mouthing other agencies is ILLEGAL. First, Life is not fair. They always say they are not the cheapest but I fail to find justification for the increased premium when most other companies issue guaranteed level premiums beyond 20 years and they do not. Ive been in Primerica for about 3 months now and I still really like it. Who wons their producers and clients. Most of the information on the web is outdated, from a past program. ************************************************, Tom says: The only time you have to go fulltime is when you go to RVP. Since my that is a waste, why woudl I want to work with a company that sells garbage? I am making money on it. What happens if one dies? Fact Primerica has 6% of the face value with 2% of the Premiums. When reading various other message boards like Ripoff-report etc then ask yourself the following. Other than you get a proven system. even if you must buy flyers and whatnot, your overhead will be significantly less then trying to start up any other business. Sometimes people later in life develope health issues or life has just thrown them a curve.. (Car wrecks, Pensions, E and O.) So, how do they get their information? If I had a business in your neighborhood that only sold CITI products and services and I was successful at it. Someone that has all the licenses needed to help people. If you are taking a higher cut, you must be stealing from the clients. . I hear there are federal laws that make the owners of the boards responsible for anything posted on the internet. The reason I use this website is because, The website states The most unbiased term insurance comparisons are found at Term4Sale.com because Term4Sale does not sell term life insurance. As I said before, ROP Term is the Insuracne companies way of trying to get more money knowing that they do not have to pay. Debt ELIMINATION not just consolidation.Better, YES! But to compare a Yugo and a BMW is laughable, just like you comparing the no value, to Primerica. 2.) If I wanted to save some money I would buy all of my consumer products from Wal-Mart though I would undoubtedly be sacrificing quality. It keeps the lies and the slander down. And if you were wrong in this post and before, why are you not wrong about everything you post? Lets compare side-by-side (without mentioning the product provider) and let everyone who is reading this thread decide. You are able to have an opinion, but remember it is the lowest form of information Is it a proper office by IRS standards, or just an area that has desk and a couple file cabinets. Its human nature and lifeplease get over this one as well. As for your post, If you do not know the model of Primerica, you will never know. I am a client that knows more than what you think. Some are guaranteed so he can keep it. And youve got 29 year-old Brandon Neil out in St George, Utah who is about to go over $900K in income and hes only been in Primerica 8 years. Maybe that is why Primerica they will not sell it? How about skinning your knees as a kid? Buy Term invest the difference ONLY!!!!! I am curious, you do not sell investments? Unfortunately, the settlement does not treat retirement plans and other large institutional investors as well. And this is how people make money using their 6 and 63 license. If I had a plan to show you how to increase your wealth hundred of thousands of dollars, with little or no risk to you, would you do it? -. Guess how much pfs pays to use the citi name how bad does pfs have to milk that too its so funny well whatever helps your denial keep feeding to each other. Primerica is still a network marketing company which means you'll need to recruit in order to make any real money. Unless you can find another insurance quoting website this is the only one that you and I have the same access to. The pay out is less than 1% of 1%. Investors are encouraged to carefully review any documents that they receive from Citigroup in connection with the proposed settlement and to carefully evaluate what their options are. So their products dont have to be super competitive. But your companies are owned by Cash Value Companies, and that is why they are cheaper. Do you see a pattern? Come on. You need to pay for the entire 30 years. Again you are making comments you do nto have a clue about. These are worthless unless you are buying them to fulfill an obligation. Since Cash value is a bad product except for the top 2%, and it is marketed heavily to the lower 98%, it is not the good product. Either one of two places, the company, or the client. -. We hope this will help you better understand the different levels of care in the NICU: Level I: Regular nursery care available at most hospitals that deliver babies. Now that their parent company will unload them soon well see what happens to their ratings and credibility. Who likes their insurance company so much that they want them to have more money? I will preface this comment . Remember Price only matters in the absence of value. Why would anyone want to put money into a mutual fund which is NOT GUARANTEED You are what Suze Orman says is fleecing their customers. Tom really flamed me! Since AIG is losing money, I believe either 1.8 or 18 million I do not have those facts in front of me over the last three quarters, they are not some place I would want to place my families security with. So call me a Whole lifer if you must. If I was you I would be more concerned with the future there. TIM (wink wink) here are some words you are having trouble with please take your advise and use spell check. Primerica Legal Protection Program legal protection services are offered by Pre-Paid Legal Services, Inc. dba LegalShield or applicable subsidiary. -. Fortunately, each State regulates insurance business, so each producer and company will be held accountable. And this is something to look forward to since you only do it once. I guess being captive has it benefits. Example, Insurance companies giving you examples is not a good source. Nothing. (The debt program without a mortgage is for their clients.) Policy. I can go on, but you are no better than Bill. Any one that looks at companies goes beyond what the salesperson says. Ask around. I hate to be your client when he says I want full coverage and you sell them Liability. But let me show you your errors. There is a law about twisting, look it up in your state, I know you have access to the web. Do you think that everyone knows how much it cost monthly to get in a mutual fund? I have nothing to prove to you. Any one else who tells you differently is lying. (If you are a man you will know what I mean. 2600/100.000= .26 or 26%. I mean everyone knows annuities makes the most money for the agent. Michael is similar in not telling you the whole truth. 7 billion is gross. Lets stick to facts. You can use a wrench as a hammer but it does not make it the right tool. You are using life insurance for a purpose it is not designed for. Tom have you erver heard of Winflex? Michael just didnt have the drive. Please define right way? Which by the way I took that path of ADVANCEMENT and Ill be darn, it worked because I was looking for something that showed me a path that it didnt matter if it took WORK as long as it WORKED. The freedom to choose my carriers with out a fear of having my contact cancelled. This is coming from that suicide that was directly caused by the mother of the ex friend. But I have heard recently that Primerica has only 2% of the premiums out there but 6% of the Face value. > I invested in American Funds when I was 20 to 23 yrs old ($2,000/yr for 3 yrs) because a Primerica representative reached out to me. I feel I am much better off. And they do not discriminate. I know that what I am doing is the correct way of doing things and therefore I must only answer for myself. But just like the Gym example whose fault is it? It is my business. Also, you can set up a variable to be in money market or very conservative investments and they will always beat the fixed ones. ; ). If an PFS agent is really at PFS to help people i strongly suggest you dont read message boards, because sooner or later your going to hear things and see things at trainings and you wont be able to look in the mirror. It shows you how much you do not know about Primerica. How does Primerica actually make their money if they offer such good rates? I know it is hard for you think that since you left the company did not fall apart, but it actually thrived since your departure. Sounds like a pretty selfish reason to wait, IMHO. All you need to do is have a need to make extra income. In general, life insurance buyers would be better off working with an independent insurance agent who can provide quotes from multiple companies. You are going to need the E adn O insuracne badly. I recently met with a RVP about a job position and I more or less interviewed him. I have not hired people since they ahve bad mouth their past employers. Some carriers offer 50% or a max of 250K and 1 year or shorter to live. Would you only purchase one brand car knowing that there is a better products that there? I promise you, he wont respond with numbers. I run into many fly by night companies that do this. You agree to treat this information as confidential, and not to use or disclose this information except as necessary to conduct your Primerica business. Based in the Atlanta metro area, Primerica was founded in 1977 with the philosophy of buy term and invest the difference. The company started with a team of seven founders and 85 sales representatives, operating under the original name of A.L. They can defer it up to 6 months. 20yr. I am here to explain the concept and my opinions. Terminal Illness rider, is one. Collaborators. I use that term because you seem to victimize whomever you talk to. You give up one leg, and then you get legs from everyone leaving your group. I do not have to recruit. Why should I go into the the difference between Mutual Funds, Annuities and actively Managed accounts? What option is there to give a client with one term product which is The reason why I am responding to you is that I keep getting alerts when more posts are up and I cant help but read. Bottom line is: Term is better than Trash Value, Fixed loans with a debt elimination plan are better then ARMs and Neg.AMs loans, getting out of debt is better than being in debt, Mutaul Funds are better than leaving your money in the bank, Building a successful business is better than a successful job, if there is one. Recruiting is encouraged, however, in the same way I wasnt pressured to join Primerica I will NOT pressure others. It comes with a 0.30% annual fee and a $500 minimum deposit. I just dont like it when folks like yourself pee on my leg and tell me its raining and that the difference between you and I is that you care about the client. Someone who is in no need of making money off you, can be an adviser. They want the quick buck. Cash valve does not belong to the client; it belongs to the insurance company. Who wants to call for your claim and get someone in India that requires you to jump through hoops. But then as an independent, it is you pull the cart. Or how about teh value you get for the 99 dollars? -. And Before you say I am wrong, My Dad died 3 years ago, estate was just settled. So you gotta treat employees well, because it all comes back to you. Why dont you split the commissions? Maybe the Regular Joes dont like or trust you all and want to speak to folks they know and trust. Options are great. -. This guy has lost my respect by telling everyone about his sales team, his guzillion dollars in assets, how powerful he is, Dude come on it clear you have other interests in Primerica other than being a client. Since you keep bringing up product, Why are you saying it is now about Opportunity. You also get one more thing. In fact, I have stated that I have never sold nor, nor has anyone in my agency (I have 35 life-licensed reps). Considering you want whats best for your clients why are limited guaranteed products a better consideration than a fully guaranteed product? I dont know of anyone who has made a successful, long-term career out of Primerica, except maybe the people at the top of the pyramid. Now that is scary.). What did you sales force make you? Primerica does not. Remember Price only matters in the absence of Value. Your and Michaels clients are middle american families. Are you bringing anything else to the table. Do you think they would allow him to do that if he had any problems. IN the fine print, and since I have read it, It says yes it is only guaranteed for 20 years, but everyone in your classification needs to be increased. What do you do then? You want to talk opportunity. Or do you believe me me me syndrome? Well what you profess cost more but offer some features free. But let us look on a different insurance, how often do people use their car insurance for that little fender damage. -. Want a job in this industry? So you dont like the business model..stay with your 9 to 5 and enjoy your boss. I wish he were to answer this case: 35 year old female. Its called LOYALTY. I like Green, while you may like yellow. Since my child rider gives me the first 10 kids for the same price, that is a value. It must be great being TOM. Term works for it greatly. YOU DO NOT OWN YOUR BUSINESS!!!!! Then those that are coasting, and looking for a job would be gone faster. Main example is this: Ive replaced whole life products for a family where their ACTUAL BROTHER was the insurance guy that sold them their expensive/retirement stealing insurance policy.moved them over to TERM INSURANCE which was cheaper for them and yes, the difference saved and other monies they had was invested according to their risk tolerances in proper investment vehicles. But if many people knew that they agent and bank was hiding info, packaging it deceptively, and families knew this would be the consequences, they would have said NO to the product. I dont know of anyone who has made a successful, long-term career out of Primerica, except maybe the people at the top of the pyramid. Remember, if you are offering an ROP policy it is real easy to explain to the client how it works unless you are one of those sneaky sales people who want to win. Instead of asking the people who didnt make it big why they didnt, ask the people who ARE successful how they did it? 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