Tagged: l.u.c.i.f.e.r., NASA, space, telescope, Vatican. Four years later, and decades since the Vatican initiated its occupation, the Pope has yet to reach out to the San Carlos Apache Tribe. But because the mountain was taken away from tribal control, Apache people over the past 150 years have not always been able to find that peace or even pray in their sacred land. UA lawyers also argue that they are exempt from the National Historic Preservation Act (NHPA) and any other cultural or environmental law that would apply to them. Additional Information on telescope specifications, Additional instrumentation & Science Operations. However, Ohio State and Notre Dame have joined the project (selling viewing time at $30,000/night) and now the University of Minnesota and the University of Virginia are considering investing in the project. With these rich traditions as a basis and in order to counteract the longstanding accusations of hostility of the Church towards science, Pope Leo XIII in his Motu Proprio Ut Mysticam of 14 March 1891 formally refounded the Vatican Observatory and located it on a hillside behind the dome of St. Peters Basilica. L.U.C.I.F.E.R., which stands for Large Binocular Telescope Near-infrared Utility with Camera and Integral Field Unit for Extragalactic Research, is a chilled instrument attached to a telescope in Arizona. It's located in an isolated part of southeastern Arizona several miles outside of Tucson, the nearest large city. Many of us came to accept the idea that Lucifer was hasatan long before ever reading the one verse in Isa 14:12, the only place in the Bible which mentions Lucifer. Quote: It is also a landscape of enormous biological diversity, home to the endangered Mount Graham red squirrel. Theyve admitted themselves, however, that there is no other basis, besides the tradition of the early Fathers and later Catholic Commentators, for interpreting Isa 14:12 as an address to hasatan! When I also read, Jesuit Father George Coyne, director of the Vatican Observatory, indicated he could not find an authentic Apache who thought the mountain was sacred. They both have a path that each travels over a years time that has been documented and remains predictable, just as it has been for millennia. It was because we were moving as well as the planets. In 1873, Mount Graham was removed from the boundaries of the San Carlos Reservation and placed in public domain. These early traditions of the Observatory reached their climax in the mid-nineteenth century with research conducted at the Roman College by the famous Jesuit, Father Angelo Secchi, the first to classify stars according to their spectra. Would the Wormwood star be involved? May whoever searches here night and day the far reaches of space use it joyfully with the help of God. Groups of up to six can reserve the 36-inch computerized telescope for a four-hour session. 91-1350 PHXM WPC, April 6, 1992.). Numerous groups, have used this misrepresentation of lucifer to build religions some even claiming themselves to be Messiahs or worldly representations of God on earth. FREIstaatliche Religionsgemeinschaft LichtlanD, LichtlanD. You CANNOT find convex water. A key to understanding how long the myth of a global heliocentric, agnostic, universe has been perpetuated on all is to understand how long and deep the Vatican has been involved with observing the heavens all the way back to Copernicus, (who himself became a catholic priest in the last years of his life and studied cannon law). The Vatican Observatory's research group in Arizona shares space with other organizations. Following the declarations of the sacredness of Mount Graham by the Apache Survival Coalition and the San Carlos Apache Tribe, the Vatican in 1991declared that Mt. In fact, most of the early book publishing companies were in and around Rome for the first hundred years books became available to the masses. Debra Utacia Krol Arizona Republic Published 7:23 AM PDT Aug. 20,. The Apache effectively remained both in their own minds and in the law, in possession of significant property rights to their territory, Welch said. Web. A 1986 draft environmental impact statement developed by the Forest Service said archaeological sites were detected within the observatory area, and that the most appropriate treatment of these sites must be determined in consultation with the State Historic Preservation Officer and the Advisory Council on Historic Preservation. The Forest Service also said, Presently no known impact on Native American religious use exists.. Teachers to the New Up and Coming Astronomers, The Vatican. Now do you see why the Pope who has been caught worshiping Satan has a telescope named "Lucifer" pointing towards that Nebula? and mysterious name to give to the Notre Dame announced they will pay the University of Arizona $266,000 per night for six nights each year for telescope viewing on Mount Graham, notwithstanding repeated Apache protests of religious desecration. The church may not believe in this ancient law but its as old as the moon. Father Coyne further declared that Apache beliefs were a kind of religiosity to which I cannot subscribe and which must be suppressed with all the force we can muster.. The officially sanctioned removal of the Apaches holy mountain from Apache control was complete. http://abell.as.arizona.edu/%7Elbtsci/Instruments/LUCIFER/Documents/LUCIFER_UM_1.1.pdf"]http://abell.as.arizona.edu/~lbtsci/Instruments/LUCIFER/Documents/LUCIFER_UM_1.1.pdf, http://abell.as.arizona.edu/%7Elbtsci/Instruments/LUCIFER/lucifer.html"]http://abell.as.arizona.edu/~lbtsci/Instruments/LUCIFER/lucifer.html, http://thirdsecret.org/content.php?153-Benedict-XVI-build-the-throne-of-Satan. What one may notice is that many groups who, associate divinity/infallibility with their leaders, and/or the KJV (and any other Text which falsely translates haylel as Lucifer), will be extremely reluctant to accept this simple error, and will become immediately defensive of their congregation and this tradition. The climate ranges from desert at the lowest elevation to subalpine at the highest, where green woods offer cool relief from the searing deserts below and precious springs trickle down the slopes to feed rivers like the Gila. <. Lucifer was named by German academic astronomers a separate telescope from the VATT Observatory and separate scientific observations. This was simple for us though because no one here claims to be infallible, where Biblical knowledge is concerned; and we are constantly adjusting and perfecting our knowledge. Graham in southeastern Arizona. Nevertheless, Congress approved the construction plan. BTW, I am still waiting for you to point me to that curved water. Mount Graham is known to the San Carlos Apache as Dzil ncha si an. 03 Nov. 2012. All ongoing and future construction projects by the UA must be held to the standards of NEPA, NHPA, and President Clintons Executive Order 13007. They routinely murdered less civilized (their definition) people and destroyed their culture. Reasons to Doubt the Earth is Truly a Sphere, NY Times: Vatican Science Panel Told By Pope Galileo Was Right. The theory that the character Lucifer is Hasatan has been a popular one in Christianity dating as far back as the 4th century. This federally-protected area is listed on the National Register of Historic Places, and features a National Forest Service public campground. plus if they are only God minded why the interest in archeology and astronomy. In fact, several pontifical observatories were established in Rome, including the Observatory of the Roman College, the Observatory on the Capitoline Hill and the Specola Vaticana (or Vatican Observatory). as holy land & it is believed there's a portal or star gate there" Only three telescopes have been constructed so far on the summit, and the Apache people continue to voice their opposition to what they believe is the defilement of their holy place. I took astronomy in college and it is not possible for the planets to move in the sky the way they do without the sun being the center of our solar system. Graham in Arizona, the Large Binocular Telescope Observatory (LBTO) has two identical 8.4m telescopes mounted side-by-side. Due observatories prolonged struggle to obtain a new permit, and the rise in support from governmental groups, environmental groups, and the Apache people themselves this may be one struggle for sacred land that is not lost. This new tower for studying the stars has been erected during the XV year of the reign of John Paul II on this peaceful site so fit for such studies, and it has been equipped with a new large mirror for detecting the faintest glimmers of light from distant objects. It focused on the ancient Prophecy of the Popes and the fact that the pontiff following Benedict XVI will be the final one on this mysterious list of popes, a prophecy that was concealed inside the secret vaults of the Vatican for hundreds of years and which many believe points to the arrival of the False Prophet of end-times infamy. Birney, Mt. Throughout the region of Arizona where the Apache lived, there are only two tribes that lived in territories that surrounded Mount Graham. Benedict Moran: For more than a year, Wendsler Nosie, a former chairman of the San Carlos Apache Indian tribe, has camped out on this site in central Arizona. Hence, in 1987 the Vatican Observatory Foundation was established. Back in 2010, the University of Arizona, . Mount Graham was selected for the Vatican observatory due to its exceptional location that would help humans to better understand the origins of the universe. Required fields are marked *. President Ulysses S. Grant, weary after the horrors of the Civil War, sent envoys to negotiate with the bands. "Apache Tribe Distressed by Privatization of Dacred Land." Arizona Daily Star.11 December 2014. Mount Graham Coalition, n.d. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. The Vatican also owns most of the early books of antiquity on astronomy as well as owning the most patents on celestial observatories. When readingAnd the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter. (Revelation 8:10,11-King James Bible) I was interested in the Wormwood star. With the environmental and cultural concerns circumvented, UA proceeded to ignore and discredit the San Carlos Apaches claim to the mountain as a sacred place. Well, brace yourself, because we are going expose this myth for what it is! Graham in Tucson. Heres a simpler question. Well, let's leave the Vatican's telescope, and go back over across the street to the LBT. What causes your ball earth to spin, magic? Put . Native species like the Mount Graham red squirrel cling to survival in the forests. They view the mountain as the embodiment of spiritual energy rather than as a specific place. The mountain has ancient, undisturbed burials, as well as being a source for medicinal plants and a location for ceremonies. Why? Your fourth question seems redundant. Copernicus explained why the planets do not move in the sky the same way the stars do. Our advice is to avoid these groups at all cost. It has been weeks since I asked for what should be simple proof, since the majority of the face of this earth is water. The spiritual value of Mount Graham to the Apache was not considered. Papal interest in astronomy can be traced to Pope Gregory XIII who had the Tower of the Winds built in the Vatican in 1578 and later called on Jesuit astronomers and mathematicians to study the scientific data and implications involved in the reform of the calendar which occurred in 1582. Proper names are transliterated NOT translated. Coincidently, the Latin word Lucifer has the meaning of morning star, and is defined as the following on the Google online dictionary: morning star: a planet (usually Venus) seen just before sunrise in the eastern sky. This was in spite of the fact that the building of telescopes on this sacred mountain by the University of Arizona and the Vatican was a controversial issue and had been the subject of . VATT is part of the Mount Graham International Observatory situated on Mount Graham in southeast Arizona, and is operated by the Vatican Observatory, one of the oldest astronomical research institutions in the world, in partnership with The University of Arizona. Graham in Tucson. Lucifer is the enemy right (hasatan)? You have no knowledge of the place you are about to destroy, said Franklin Stanley, San Carlos medicine man, in a 1992 declaration. University of Arizona, Vatican and Jesuits Name New Telescope 'Lucifer' Housed at Mt. If anyone believes that the Earth is flat they are stupid. But you cant even pull an example of convex water out of that hat Seriously. 2.) That treaty required the federal government to settle and adjust the Apaches' territories. So definitively Lucifer and Haylel have the same meaning (implicitly), however there is one major problem. Show Dangerous World Podcast, Ep 345. TOPICS: catholic church lucifer mt. Mount Graham is one of the four sacred mountains of the Apache people. They were set in motion by a creator. Is it about the warning from the New Testament, book of Revelation and the end times? Ive also talked to many who could share stories of the ancient laws which spiritually govern holy areas. Before pardoning Galileo in 1992, the Vatican, in 1979 set up a Galileo Study group. Graham, critics wonder are the 'evil ones' planning a staged end times scenario The University of Arizona, together with the Vatican and Jesuit Order, announced And not only within Christianity has this idea attained popularity, but within various occultist groups, particularly Satanism and Luciferianism, Satan and Lucifer are commonly used interchangeably. Following the declarations of the sacredness of Mount Graham by the Apache Survival Coalition and the San Carlos Apache Tribe, the Vatican in 1991declared that Mt. A spinning ball of water is magic. <p>Guess What Happens When "They're The ONLY" Game In Town? Yikes! LOL. The University of Arizona built an underground 25,000-volt power line, electrifying the sacred mountain to the great distress of the Apache. Vatican Observatory. The Catholic Encyclopedia, claims it to have a deeper significance; hence this permits them to apply it to hasatan, even though it contradicts the context of the passage. He dedicated a telescope that belonged to a church whose leaders rejected the traditions and teachings of his people, a church whose Vatican Observatory Director insisted that Mount Graham. Why, when it took until 1992 for the Vatican to pardon Galileo? (RNS/Alejandra Molina) The Apache believe Oak Flat is a "blessed place" where Ga'an guardians or. On this mountain is a great life-giving force. As co-director of the working group for science and epistemology George Coyne, S.J., Director of the Vatican Observatory, initiated a series of research publications entitled, STUDI GALILEIANI. Lucifer, the Son Hence, in 1987 the Vatican Observatory Foundation was established. Firstly, what causes anything to hover? The mexican spotted owl, Apache Trout, Pinaleo pocket gopher, long-tailed vole, and Northern Goshawk accompany the Mount Graham Red Squirrel on the endangered species list for animals residing in the area where the observatory was built. In Apache, it's called Chich'il . One of the stake holders in the MGIO is a group of European institutes who built an infrared camera and spectroscope, and named it Lucifer. The Vatican Observatory shares space (no pun intended) with other organizations and groups. The National Optical Astronomy Observatories rejected Mount Graham years ago. This group consisted of members from local Audubon chapters, the Sierra club, and students residing at the University of Arizona. Further Chanan you fail to address the thought of the article; which is why an institute or cult church etc that persecuted individuals just for bringing up ideas contrary to the bulsht that they wouldve had the masses believe. In his support for the protection of Mount Graham, Terry B. Johnson of the Arizona Game and Fish department stated, Management of Mount Graham must preclude anything that negatively impacts spruce-corkbark-fir forest and middens or impedes their development.If we protect the ecosystem, the individual species will also be protected. (Mount Graham Coalition), In addition to the argument to protect the ecosystem and endangered species of Mount Graham, Apache natives began to publicly protest the development of the observatory atop the sacred mountain by passing out flyers at the University of Arizona and filing a court appeal against the University of Arizona in 1992. Cultural Survivor, 24 Mar. Graham in Arizona to mount a telescope there? The Apache regard the Mt. The Lucifer Telescope, Sacred Apache Land & the Vatican Enjoy this podcast, and so much more Podcasts are available without a subscription, 100% free. Regardless of support from the National Council of Churches, the Presidents Advisory Council on Historical Preservation and the former president Bill Clinton on behalf of the respect for the Apache Cultural and Spiritual life the observatory still remains on Mount Graham. Posted By: Steve Allen January 14, 2016. Vatican builds a giant telescope and names it ''LUCIFER'' The Vatican, the Jesuits and the University of Arizona, unveiled a new telescope centered upon Apache sacred ground, on Mount Graham, in Arizona. To get around the legal barriers of the American Indian Religious Freedoms Act, the University hired a lobbying firm to put pressure on Congress . Construction of an astronomical observatory threatens the integrity of Mount Graham, Ariz., sacred to the San Carlos and White Mountain Apache. So what happened? Father Coyne stated that to convince him that he needed to see evidence of shrines and that he would not accept Apache oral history or statements by Apache-speaking Euro-Americans anthropologists. Im taking deep breaths as I finished reading this statement. To many, religious and otherwise, the question of who exactly Lucifer is an easy one to answer. A whole Luciferian Religion (the worship of self and satan) has sprung off a Christian error! Re: Did the Vatican name a telescope lucifer? One hundred years earlier, the Guttenberg Press invention, (taking credit from the Chinese who developed the printing press in the mid 11th century), brought books to the masses of Europe. Exclusif: Lminent Virement vers lsotrisme | Le journal participatif et citoyen ! The Vatican Advanced Technology Telescope (VATT) is located on Mt. It served not only home to their guardian spirits, but also is an ancient burial site. Ive had my share of college indoctrination too. In the early 1980s the University of Arizona, Germanys Max Planck Institute, the Arcetri Observatory of Italy, and the Tucson-based Research Cooperation came together to prepose the development of a $200 million astronomical facility consisting of up to 18 telescopes, the largest of which was to be built on the San Carlos Apaches sacred mountain. Web. To get around the legal barriers of the American Indian Religious Freedoms Act, the University hired a lobbying firm to put pressure on Congress to remove this, and other, roadblocks. And the story goes that Copernicus waited until on his death-bed before publishing the work that changed everything we knew about our relation to the universe, On the Revolutions of the Celestial Spheres. (McLeod, Corbin). To make people believe its BAD and evil, while its isnt. What if we showed you, however, that there is no Biblical Character by the name of Lucifer; and the enemy, that is hasatan, is never, at any point in the Bible, referred to by name? 201 likes. </p> <p>To the Apache the ecology of the area is what makes the land sacred and it is not related to the western idea of a physical shrine. LBTO headquarters is located on the Tucson campus of the University of Arizona. And why is the Vatican interested and want to invest in something like this? All The News That's Fit to Twist: Twisting Words Since 325CE. Due to Arizona's high elevation and clear skies, the VATT is just one among dozens of telescopes located in the state; as the Vatican Observatory website reports, Arizona is "where sky conditions are among the best in the world, and . Captivating comments from Jesuit priests like Guy Consolmagnoa leading astronomer who often turns up in media as a spokesman for the Vatican who has worked at NASA and taught at Harvard and MIT and who currently splits his time between the Vatican Observatory and laboratory (Specola Vaticana) headquartered at the summer residence of the Pope in Castel Gandolfo, Italy, and Mt. Funding for the project was only possible with the generosity of private, philanthropic support. 1999-2012 Christopher McLeod, 1 Nov. 2003. Stop the Lucifer Lie! then how do you like the show??? I've been to Indian sacred grounds and experienced a few situations to influence my belief. * what causes them to move at all? Change), You are commenting using your Twitter account. Back in 2010, the University of Arizona, . The Apache name for Mount Graham is Dzil Nchaa Si An. Apaches and other Native peoples must now obtain a permit to conduct ceremonies in the forest, according to a forest spokesperson. In this "prayer proposal" the indigenous people needed to disclose the specific time and place they planned on praying. It's the home of the ga'an, or Apache mountain spirits, and the source of life-giving water for at least seven streams in the area. They do shift, we know this from simple observation. Through owning all of the information coming from the heavens, along with NASA, they been able to steer and control the narratives that we all learn about what is, and has been going on in our universe. ), (Protesters in the lobby of Ardrey Auditorium hand out fliers with information about their opinions concerning the observatory on top of Mt. To name it Lucifer and then place it on sacred Apache Indian ground? They didnt become a one of the richest groups in the world on just donations. Im curious, why would the Vatican name the telescope Lucifer? Doubt it Following the unification of Italy in 1870, the pontifical observatories became state property. The Vatican set up one of the first observatories back in the 16th century and has continued to this day with the recent buildout of its newest observatory called LUCIFER, or LUCI, depending on what you read. Collaborating with the Steward Observatory, the Vatican Observatory built the Vatican Advanced Technology Telescope (VATT) on Mt. In fact, unlike many other indigenous groups who are in struggle to protect their sacred sites, the San Carlos Apache may have an advantage due to the unique ecosystem on Mount Graham. MGIO is a division of Steward Observatory, the research arm for the Department of Astronomy at the University of Arizona . In the early 1980s, the University of Arizona and the Vatican selected Mount Graham as the preferred site for a huge observatory with up to 20 telescopes. Et oui, il porte le nom du diable, dont le nom en fait signifie toile du matin [et qui] se trouve tre justement ct de lObservatoire du Vatican sur le mont Graham Tucson . 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