Also, your letter simply further bolsters credibility of the excellent work from the Elephants Debt and Julie Roys. Now this is a dichotomy because we are speaking about faith because we cannot know all facts of God, but what is done on this earth is grounded in facts and with witnesses. I understand your point and the historical information. Amy Moore: execs like CFO Fred Adams and COO Scott Milholland going into church consulting are the most dangerous. mostly because God doesnt need professional christians and their institution in the first place.. The damage lingers. But the question is, what guys would He be hanging out with? If she ends up with child porn on her computer which she can just barely turn on to view Facebook Im going to guess JMac or somebody planted it. Sometimes sincerely wrong. Maybe you missed the point of her post. Thing is, if it were Bill MacDonald, a little-known pastor of a tiny church from Podunk, Alabama, and he and his wife were having marital troubles that didnt involve his abuse of others, it likely wouldnt be anyones business but his close friends and perhaps his little church. Churches will line up for this. Thats really the point. He added the promise of millions of dollars in renos and expansions, via the Closer Campaign, in order to sweeten the pot. We are living through a decades-long trial of betrayal, and I have found myself weak of faith these last few years. not violent In 2008, the church was listed by Outreach magazine as one of the 100 fastest-growing churches in America. Then, I started laughing! 3/1/2023 - 7:00pm-8:00pm. Growth group leaders, childrens staff and volunteers, and many others were committed to creating ways to safely and faithfully meet together. Harvest Bible Chapel Hillsong United James Dobson James MacDonald Jason Sobel Jenna Browder Jennie Lusko Joel Smallbone John Hessup Jonathan Roumie Joni Lamb Jordan Feliz Kari Jobe Katie Torwalt Kay Robertson Kirk Cameron KLOVE Leanna Crawford Levi Lusko Mandisa Marcus Lamb Matt Hagee Matt Maher Mavericm City Michael Jr Phil Robertson Phil Vischer In 2012, after several decades of developing the worship culture at Harvest, the Vertical Church Band was born. This statement just doesnt sound much like what Jesus talked to the twelve about. Somewhere in the book we read that God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble.. And for keeping ones mouth shut on the way out? I presume this is because he has a much bigger platform, but if that is not the reason, I am open to hear. Law Prof: the posting of it on this website is unfortunate, as are many of the false rumors in the comments. Sadly, many have not served well. BTW, I am 99.99% sure that my 86-year-old mother can be trusted. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. A: To learn how to do church in order to manipulate, intimidate and dominate trusting souls. Yikes! Whew! Made a lot of money, enjoyed the fruits of fame that was a product of his professed following of Jesus. Where is the elder who stands up and admits, this thing was a wicked, immoral, money-making scheme, corrupting and drawing in people with the lure of mammon and using the money of naive, giving individuals, many of whom gave sacrificially to honor God? Its also possible it wasnt a continuous period of teaching, that there were times when they all had to go to work because they had families to support. Jesus was dismayed by self-seeking among His disciples; he who would be great among you must become the servant of all.. Surely some student got it on their phone. I just think some people do not care one tiny little bit about what the Lord said. The terminal stage 4 cancer exists. We share the common goal of wanting the abuse to stop. You also have no idea what else is happening. ME MAN! Let him call for the elders [PRESBUTEROS] of the church, and let them pray over him (James 5:14). Their strong Christian beliefs led Scott and Marsha Thompson to volunteer at Harvest Bible Chapel, and donate more than $72,000 over the course of several years. After a long season of fasting and prayer, in 2003 we were given the Elgin Campus. I sincerely thank you for this letter and the emotional turmoil you overcame to write it. Today, CBS Chicago featured Former Harvest Bible Chapel Members Want $72,000 In Donations Refunded, After Pastor James MacDonald Fired Their strong Christian beliefs led Scott and Marsha Thompson to volunteer at Harvest Bible Chapel, and donate more than $72,000 over the course of several years. Time and again, examples in the Bible show light shinning in darkness. Im not holding my breath. The history of church offices is a bit more complicated. TS00: The famous TV series director is a prominent name in the entertainment industry. When you pay for it then maybe you can make your own rules. One can attempt to form a very egalitarian group where no one is in charge, but it only works until a dysfunctional person makes a power grab. Cudos for your honesty. And if they refuse to see that these guys are nothing more than carnival barkers and mountebanks? No judgment from me. Pastor showed the torture and crucifixion scene to the whole church. Cool bands, espresso coffee, relevant sermons, fun and fellowship, etc. A defender of the weak and a rescuer of the perishing or a celebrity who gets to choose the image he parents to the world? Who can say? I have personally seen that place and I want no one to go there. Notice that Fred brags about Negotiating more than $100 million in church mortgage financing. Only if this does not work are you to turn him away as a unbeliever. Vincent: Man if you are looking for a physical church to be perfected and wholly sanctified, by mere men, you will be disalusioned. Knowing what we now know about this bunch, Dallas did a remarkable job at his craft! I guess the other 25% are hoping to get some plum positions. I really cant come up with a legitimate reason for why these Pastors and Elders are continuing to conceal the truth while realizing that doing so will result in decades of further abuse. just Like they are so far in and so much of their identity comes from being part of the group that the thought of just leaving would be like jumping off of a cliff? I guess its all a matter of perspective. Concerned for the vulnerable animals safety, he left his own gun by its side. Bridget: I dont know, Ken. In our services, our ministries, our music-in everything we do at Harvest, our passion and focus are to bring God glory through His Son Jesus Christ. Suggesting that the church do away with the building would be met by much weeping and gnashing of teeth. I didnt want these points to go unmade. but again, oodles of people also have personal knowledge of the kingdom of God, through knowing God. Here is a short article describing the NT words used for the offices: Of course it does require set up of chairs, nursery area, etc., and the take down every week and people who are committed to doing that. Never to leave me alone!. I adhere to the never-say-never adage but cant even remotely imagine EVER being involved with a church again. (GOO GOO GA JOOB!)). Lets face it, in this era one can access whatever superior teaching is preferred in the comfort of their home or car. Great! dee: You chose to serve in a church with incredibly stupid, unbiblical and mean people in charge. Many needy men get their egos stroked, while the women see through the charade. How would church members do what you recommend? The average American Christian has evidently become so open-minded about such characters that their spiritual brains have fallen out! It really doesnt take long for traditions to get set in stone, as it were. i agree, Paul has worthy things to say that are beneficial. In our common language, we use the word elder to describe one who is older than ourselves. Let the truth flow. And the same verses in a different Bible, the ESV: 5 And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. In preparation for the milestone anniversary of 30 years, it seemed fitting to host all our campuses together for Good Friday and Easter Sunday at the Sears Centre Arena. Just them asking me to become an elder told me something was wrong, I would say that the church you reference may have never had an ACTUAL elder then. FOR WITHOUT THEM ONE CANNOT SPEAK OF THE CHURCH. That is part of our fallen world. But to think you are wholly appointed by God to take pot shots from the distance, not being part of the churches who you blast then Satin has really pulled the wool over your eyes. About how you think there is something wrong with you because you dont feel the same things that they do, and soon you come to believe that you are defective or damaged goods. You sound like an attorney who just sent me a letter stating that I posted false statements by a victim. (1 Peter 4:14). He will be infecting thousands more with his toxicity, greed, vulgarity and cruelty. Someone should also dig into the incident regarding the video of Mel Gibsons Passion of the Christ that was shown to HCA ELEMENTARY school children without any warning or notice to parents in the first year of the schools history during Holy Week. Everyone who is of the Truth, who is a friend of the Truth and belongs to the Truth, hears and listens carefully to My voice. (Jesus, John 18:37). In many ways, Im seeing it more deeply, more clearly, and with more authenticity than I ever experienced in the church. Abigail: Why would anyone want to kill a magnificent creature like that? What would have been the point to allow comments after asking that? More and more, I am willing to settle for walking with God, and being thankful for a community of people I may never meet in this life, but who support and encourage one another in the manner God called his people to do. If you believe you have been financially defrauded, we want to hear from you. With their leadership training, it appears that men like Hybels and MacDonald groom charismatic potential leaders in how to control and manipulate naive, trusting believers for their own personal, or the institutions, gain. "Do Theologians LIke Russell Moore Ever Apologize for Theological Blunders of the Past?" Are you kidding me right now? Hmmm it appears that Lauren and Amy are the same person. having faithful children If it werent for the subject matter, it would have been rated X (violence) and denounced by Christians as Violence/Torture porn. We see it mentioned on a few occasions in Scripture where elders were appointed in every city. But not genuine relationships. TS00: Truth was genetically modified centuries ago. Why, dontcha know God inspired Paul to speak his thoughts, and me your trusted pastor to interpret them rightly? Heres hoping quotes work the same here as many other onlline sites. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. My cousin belongs to a house church in western Iowa. And who on this blog doesnt love questions to be answered and truth to be revealed. I believe that if I hadnt been a strong donor, I would not have been considered and wouldnt have vaulted through Harvest leadership over more deserving peers. God is omnipresent and always acting, everywhere, as you find out once youre on the outside. Director Dallas Jenkins on the Goshen, Utah, set of "The Chosen" Season 2. If a familys personal pain about a very private matter doesnt fit that category, I dont know what would. Making vague accusations like that is true slander. Dallas Jenkins: I wish that the decision to be a public figure in this scandal was left to the individual, not to third parties. If you had anything, Dallas, youd have shared it. Amen to that Max! Its a modern proverb that in organizations characterized by power differentials, mistreatment flows downhill. Ken F (aka Tweed): trained under Peter and James. . The post you refer to is maybe one of two that she didnt allow comments. Posted in Theology | Tagged Alpha and Omega, Comparing Myself to Others, Dallas Jenkins, Gavin Stone, God's Sovereignty, God's Will Plan and Priorities, Harvest Bible Chapel, Vertical Church Films | 7 Comments. Why would anyone want to kill a magnificent creature like that? I think its one of the reasons that the mega movement has been so attractive to laity as well as leaders; they imagine that a bigger, more resource-rich group will be able to rescue more people from the terrible fate they would otherwise experience. ++++++++++++++, so what? The other 30 Elders and 12 XLT members will, likewise, move on to other ministry opportunities. Then, Rick Donald, James MacDonald, and Elder Steve Huston worked to suppress them from the rest of the Elders. But first you must go before your brother in How you understand the word? The majority of the people who were questioning you were NOT anonymous (including me), and there is more factual information about HBC on Twitter than there has ever been from HBC leaders own mouths, including yours. I rather doubt that they were able to get it right in the end. No one is forced to read comments and subject themselves to more pain, however, that discussion could help others in dealing or confronting issues. You chose to serve in a church with incredibly stupid , unbiblical and mean people in charge. As my friend says, suck it up buttercup., Max: I believe if Jesus was here today, He would be sitting around the campfire drinking beer with the boys!, In all likelihood, He probably would be. Cool bands, espresso coffee, relevant sermons, fun and fellowship, etc, In the words of the Prophets Emerson, Lake, and Palmer: If they couldnt get it right after three years of intensive time with Jesus, what chance do we have? That someone who was on the point of dying took time to write these dreams down is remarkable in and of itself. As of 2020, they now gather as City Line Church. There may be a general principle here, perhaps related to how many people you can know and relate to at a more than superficial level., And the cash flow in a church of 300 is not so large that it is likely to corrupt the leadership team.. Yet the first line in that post was that Dee would not allow comments. I cant put them in the same category as Jesus himself, nor should I. Its why I like to go to what Jesus actually said and did. After all, Paige Patterson (big game hunter and ex-President, Southwestern Seminary) went on African safaris and used that experience to spread the gospel: https://swbts.edu/news/releases/game-banquet-uses-hunting-venue-spread-gospel/. They arent slated to start until May, and the people who have heard about it are begging him to start it sooner. I hope that the HBC and WC churches become text book examples for future generations of Christians of what not to do. You couldnt care if the pastor lives in a 4 million dollar mansion. It is atrocious that he is still able to live the life and spend the money as if nothing untoward ever happened. That might be the case if your view of Christianity is limited to the local mega-show, but there are places in the world, and even in the US for that matter, where Christianity is much more Biblical and robust, and is not even close to fading away. The word contains with it a reference to age. The protracted dispute between Pastor James MacDonald and Harvest Bible Chapel (HBC) recently concluded through arbitration.Now the Chicago-area megachurch is sharing details of the settlement and has apologized to its former pastor, who was fired in February 2019.. MacDonald also is speaking out for the first time about the contentious, high-profile split with the congregation he led for 30 . Whether its a yes-man or someone the lead guy has dirt on, its easy enough for these types to have a handful in pocket. Just them asking me to become an elder told me something was wrong. They all were making out pretty large with the tithes of people who thought they were giving to good causes. As both Luke and Peter write, they use all three Greek terms in the same context, regarding the same office, filled by the same men. It is long past time Jenkins spoke up. Muff Potter: The daughter of Matt Slick (big-gun-reformed-apologist) converted to fundamental atheism. Who do you want to be in Gods sight? To new commenters I will have to wait until I get to my computer because Im on my phone and the type of the letter is too small to read. The Church of the Living God needs to be on the alert for any ex-HBC executives/elders who served under MacDonald for more than 3 months. In case this has escaped your awareness, most folks on TWW have experienced abuse in churches. HBC Youth Bible Study. . We were hissing at them Close you eyes! and doing our best to throw ourselves in front of the smallest ones. Harvest Bible Chapel issued a statement today: Pastor James MacDonald came upon a sleeping bear while walking in the back yard of his modest home today. Very sobering time for disciples of the living God, our Saviour Lord Jesus. Yet another reason why the financial transparency laws for religious non-profit entities needs to change. I firmly believe we are experiencing another reformation. Dallas Jenkins: There have been many people demanding our statements be made public, and now that they are, are rejoicing in that, 1 Corinthians 13:6 Ive read that the sweet spot in church size, that combines small enough to know the flock (and small enough that all the flock can know the leaders) and large enough to be endowed with a diverse array of gifts is around 300. "I believe (that is) my job in my personal life. it is wrong. , Amy Moore: new incognito Floridian Santa Claus look, No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. (2 Cor 11:14). i understand the losses you describe, and experience them, too. Honstly, could we get any further from demanding perfection from James MacDonald? Noevangelical, lets get a bunch of our favorite beverages, cheese, olives, chocolate, cigars and a candle and well continue on. This man is a disgrace to humanity. (baby dont hurt me no more) Maybe JMs associates and enablers thought the most loving thing was to go along with JM for the sake of the everlasting benefits in heaven that would be experienced in the future by the people who were being abused, manipulated, fleeced here under the sun, but who nevertheless were hearing the gospel (as they understood gospel), even though it looks to us like it was being preached from false motives. I doubt that the facts will stop MacDonald from making an unrepentant comeback. We have millions of church folks in America who say they would die to protect the Bible, but not many actually read it! Peter wrote, Shepherd the flock of God which is among you Paul said, take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers The number of bishops is always plural, but the jurisdiction of these overseers is singular. His arrogance and rage unbalances him. The Apostles warned us this would happen and to be on guard, but we havent done much about it. Law Prof: But this just doesnt seem to fit. Jenkins says the ultimate source of truth is the Bible, and while viewers of The Chosen will glean truths about Jesus from the show, he says their pastors should be the primary figures in helping Christians understand the Bible. The Bible is clear that all people are God's creation (Colossians 1:16), and that God loves the entire world (John 3:16), but only those who have faith (trust) in the work of Jesus are children of God (John 1:12; 11:52; Romans 8:16; 1 John 3:1-10). Because MacDonald earned it. That incident was only the tip of the iceberg. Given His choice of companionship last time He was here, your friend from that Bible study might be shocked. Note, that they are always mentioned in a plural form. Every weekend we open the word of God and study the truth He has revealed to us. The bear was later seen using the gun to defend itself against local mice and rabbits.. 7,646 were here. I am generally ignorant regarding legal or business matters, but isnt this illegal? When God leaves, it always becomes about something elseits amazing. We have heard and experienced horror in groups of all models. not a novice New TWW post. I know we have to hunt to keep down the population of wild creatures, especially in areas where they dont have any natural predators, so they dont destroy the environment and/or starve. It appears he has been a poser, a bully and a thug for a very long time. That said, the bishops, priests, and deacons are supposed to be models of humility and servanthood. Nice list. Dallas, you have a lot to learn about life, and perhaps a lot to learn about the One Who spoke of whispers in the inner rooms being shouted from rooftops. Milky Way timelapse photobombed by the Aurora Borealis over Loch More in Scotland. At Harvest, the elders oversee the doctrine, direction, and discipline of the church. +++++++++++++++++++++. you have understanding and knowledge and a unique perspective that is valuable. What they all have in common is serving self interest, whereas the crux of the life and message of Jesus is that the way to life is to lay down self and serve others. Greg Laurie, pastor and founder of the 15,000-member Harvest, announced the move in June. Hang on. This is how all men will know that you are my disciples, because you have such love for one another.. This moved the church into a season of transitional leadership for the next 27 months. This helped to hit the revenue target and qualify for Executive bonuses.. All of the above is not an option, but it seems hard to pick one over any other. We praise God as many heard the Good News that weekend. Harvest Bible Chapel issued a statement today: Pastor James MacDonald came upon a sleeping bear while walking in the back yard of his modest home today. It was not just Jmac who was enriching himself. Harvest took in over a HALF A BILLION DOLLARS in the last 12 yrs and many of their properties were donated free and clear. Unless it was a danger to someone. Have seen the exact same thing. They engineered the black funds and the worst of the financial abuse. Precept Inductive Bible Study for Women. If you go here you can see them listed in the browser search https://duckduckgo.com/?q=the+chosen+producers+james+macdonald&t=ffsb&ia=web but when you click on the link you can see that Jenkins had the producers list altered to remove those names and place all new producers (the money) except for himself on the website. dee: You sound like an attorney who just sent me a letter stating that I posted false statements by a victim. He already gets $500K tax free per year in deferred comp, plus reportedly around $200K tax free in parsonage allowance. In full disclosure, not even a full prof or anything big, just a lecturerand a snarky middle aged guy who was such a great lawyer I had to get a job teaching to make a living. This all happens when we gather, grow and go together as followers of Jesus. Harvest Christian Academy, a private K-12 school with 650 students, was opened in Elgin . Instead, all the surviving records appear to show the Church was liturgical and sacramental from the beginning, with established offices of bishops, priests, and deacons. Were more or less on the same page, it sounds like. So this notion of a pastor as single leader being completely made up well after the Bible was written, simply not biblical at all, purely cultural tradition, I think youd be safe to say that said book most certainly does not indicate that one assuming an unbiblical, made-up official office does not need to be heeded, but rather corrected, censured or even disciplined and thrown out of the church for their audacity and biblical ignorance. The church (ecclesia) had little say in eldership or pastor. Fred not only took out debt to fund new purchases, he took out additional debt on already encumbered buildings. VCB became Vertical Worship and currently has more than 20 songs in the CCLIs Top 500 Songs Sung in US Churches, including Open Up the Heavens and Yes, I Will.. In September of 2012, we experienced another provision of God, in the form of the Scottish Rite Cathedrala historical landmark we reclaimed for the gospel in the heart of Chicagos Gold Coastwhich became the Chicago Cathedral Campus. The teenage years are an awesome time to grow in Christ. I was just telling my wife this morning, that all the corruption that gets exposed on TWW is actually quite consistent with the NT warning of beware of wolves in sheeps clothing. I feel like all of the verses you quoted would work just as well if it was translated the older, mature believers in the church. I see nothing denoting an office. It seems like to me that in a group of people, these things sort themselves out without anyone declaring it to be a position and appointing people to it. Noevangelical: So do you think this is something like Stockholm Syndrome? Im convinced that an antinomian spirit has taken control of some ministries, where church leaders feel they have been released by grace from the obligation of observing the moral law. That brings me great joy, because sometimes I feel pretty alone in this wilderness. And all youre ever going to be is mean Harvest Christian Academy currently has more than 500 students, more than 60 staff members, and continues to move forward with a high leadership focus. Harvest Bible Chapel is an evangelical Christian megachurch in Rolling Meadows, Illinois. But one way or the other, my instincts about Hall dont alter my opinion that Dee likely has good reasons to not want to use this forum to air a familys personal tragedy any more. But if conflict is the goal, keep on keeping on. Never, and I mean never, have I heard someone say, I would leave, but I just cant survive without the gifted teaching. It sounds more like men puffing up their status among the brothers . 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